dis·crim·i·na·tion
[dəˌskriməˈnāSH(ə)n]
NOUN
the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, sex, or mode of travel
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| Author: | OldDogDan [ Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Calavera Cyclists Coalition |
Dirtrider wrote: So, if I read/see that map of legal trails correctly, even riding around the lake or steping off the curb at Skyhaven is illegal? If not, does anyone have a map that shows ALL legal trails if any? No, around the lake is City land, not DFW. Those trails are all still legal. Give me a few minutes and I’ll add the map. Here is a link to the City’s brochure in PDF form. The City owns all the marked trails at the top (north) of the map, and CNLM manages that parcel, as well as La Costa. Below (south) is CHER (Carlsbad Highlands Ecological Preserve) which is owned and managed by DFW (or CDFW — California Department of Fish and Wildlife). South of that going down towards the old Flightline is private property, now tomato fields, eventually to become homes via the Holly Springs/Cantarini Ranch development, happily tied up in litigation. http://www.carlsbadca.gov/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?BlobID=24047 MTB Bill has a good explanation on his website. Even though it hasn’t been updated in awhile, it is still valid. http://www.mountainbikebill.com/CalveraLake.htm Currently DFW has put large signs up banning bikes as you enter their property. You will see one as soon as you pop up to the volcano quarry from the dam (yes, volcano is off limits) and on the fireroad at the upper end of Serpentine by the meadow (yes, even the fireroad is posted closed to bikes). Also on the SDGE road where it enters CHER, and by the high school on west and church on east I assume. Don’t know about coming north from private property by Sunny Creek, but probably. |
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| Author: | Kimba [ Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Calavera Cyclists Coalition |
There is a large sign by the bottom of the spine where the two fireroads intersect in the low spot. There is a large sign on the east fireroad by the "gasline cage" peak. Coming north from Sunny Creek there are small yellow signs attached to the bushes just south of Sage Creek near the crossing. The large signs say that hikers, trail runners and photographers can use the CHER trails but they don't say which trails. I see hikers on top of the volcano every day. I saw happy trail runners the other day on the CHER singletracks north of Sage Creek. |
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| Author: | OldDogDan [ Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Calavera Cyclists Coalition |
^^^ Yeah, and I see entire families scrambling up the scree slope trail straight up the quarry cliff face past the keep off signs. Not just adrenaline junkie bikers that like a little risk in their exercise regimen. |
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| Author: | Dirtrider [ Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Calavera Cyclists Coalition |
dis·crim·i·na·tion [dəˌskriməˈnāSH(ə)n] NOUN the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, sex, or mode of travel
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| Author: | klurejr [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Calavera Cyclists Coalition |
Dirtrider wrote: So, if I read/see that map of legal trails correctly, even riding around the lake or steping off the curb at Skyhaven is illegal? If not, does anyone have a map that shows ALL legal trails if any? No, all the trails around the lake on the cities property are multi-use and allow bikes. I am on my phone and dont have the link, but the city of Carlsbad parks department has a map you can view. There are also trail maps posted at the trail entrances included off skyhaven at the east end of skyhaven entrance. |
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| Author: | OldDogDan [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Calavera Cyclists Coalition |
CNLM ranger was out on their property ( north end by the lake) today handing out maps. He was friendly and commiserated on DFW’sfailureto have a plan. So we looked at signs and the map and saw that you can legally take the “solar walk” road from the CNLM-managed land to the high school, and cross the road to the private property aka the “south forty”, where the tomato fields are, without hitting CHER property. Of course private property is not technically legal, and will eventually be developed, but we have never been harassed for riding it. |
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| Author: | Big Clyde [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Calavera Cyclists Coalition |
Dan, The trail from Cannon that goes right at the first DFG sign that drops into the concrete gully and then steep up is legal? Did CLMN say the volcano is illegal to hikers? 
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| Author: | OldDogDan [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:12 pm ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: Calavera Cyclists Coalition | ||
Big Clyde wrote: Dan, The trail from Cannon that goes right at the first DFG sign that drops into the concrete gully and then steep up is legal? Did CLMN say the volcano is illegal to hikers? According to this map detail, yes, that is not part of CHER. Regarding the volcano, I did not ask the CNLM ranger, and I don’t think he would speak for DFW. But the new big signs by the volcano prohibit bikes, not hikers. There were lots of people all over the volcano today, climbing up from east, west, and the quarry face. The CNLM guy said DFW really needs to publish their own map...!
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| Author: | Big Clyde [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Calavera Cyclists Coalition |
Thanks! Gonna check it out tomorrow!
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| Author: | Dirtrider [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Calavera Cyclists Coalition |
South 40 was open for business. We had a great legal ride and never rode past a sign. I think there were a couple of trolls out but no issues
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| Author: | klurejr [ Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Calavera Cyclists Coalition |
OldDogDan wrote: Big Clyde wrote: Dan, The trail from Cannon that goes right at the first DFG sign that drops into the concrete gully and then steep up is legal? Did CLMN say the volcano is illegal to hikers? According to this map detail, yes, that is not part of CHER. Regarding the volcano, I did not ask the CNLM ranger, and I don’t think he would speak for DFW. But the new big signs by the volcano prohibit bikes, not hikers. There were lots of people all over the volcano today, climbing up from east, west, and the quarry face. The CNLM guy said DFW really needs to publish their own map...! Yes, they need to publish a map and ticket all the hikers on the volcano. The discrimination against MTBs is horrific. |
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| Author: | klurejr [ Fri May 03, 2019 2:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Calavera Cyclists Coalition |
For those without facebook, I posted the letter sent from the county to CDFW on the calavera thread at MTBR: https://forums.mtbr.com/california-soca ... 854-4.html |
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| Author: | Dirtrider [ Fri May 03, 2019 3:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Calavera Cyclists Coalition |
klurejr wrote: For those without facebook, I posted the letter sent from the county to CDFW on the calavera thread at MTBR: https://forums.mtbr.com/california-soca ... 854-4.html Short and to the point. I'll take it. Thanks for the linky |
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| Author: | avidtest [ Fri May 03, 2019 6:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Calavera Cyclists Coalition |
Nice! Just sent an email to Kristin Gaspar and Jim Desmond thanking the for the support and to keep up their efforts. |
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| Author: | 325racer [ Fri May 03, 2019 7:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Calavera Cyclists Coalition |
There are many other things in motion also. We have found a very clutch member of the community. She's an environmentalist for the DOD on Camp Pendleton, both her and her husband are Mtn bikers and live nearby. She was actually able to sit down with Diane Nygaard of Preserve Calavera, that ended with a hug. Bottom line of that meeting, she is open to a proposal to allow bikes that would include a real management plan for multi user access. We are in process of drafting something up, we all know it will mean trail closures, but nobody can deny the trail network got out of control, so less but better maintained trails would be a win. While Diane/Preserve Calavera aren't CDFW they are the ones who pushed CDFW to the current actions. One thing we all must do is ultimately thank Diane/Preserve Calavera, because without their work we wouldn't have this land to fight over. The new group I started Calavera Cyclists Coalition will be having a meeting this month to present what we have done and where we are going, then have Q&A open discussion. We want/need buy in from the majority of the cycling community. None of us want to be held responsible and personally blamed if things go south or end up not how some had hoped. |
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