evdog wrote:
For every one guy who has a disability there will be a dozen or more who are just lazy fucks.
Hey!
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| Author: | k2rider [ Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | IMBA changes course on e-bikes... |
They've seen the last of my money and I bet this will cause several chapters to bail. On the flip side, a bunch or people on this board might be happy. So the IMBA can't get on board with mountain bikes in "Wilderness" areas but now they're okay with motorized vehicles on MTB trails? All you need to do is follow the money. Now that Subaru bailed, Specialized and Trek are the main supporters of IMBA. If IMBA argued against bikes, Specialized and Trek may leave them high and dry. So much for integrity. https://www.bikemag.com/news/imba-up...-mtb-position/ The topic of electric mountain bike (e-MTB) access to non-motorized trails is increasingly dominating the conversations of mountain bikers, land managers, trail users, the bicycle industry and others. IMBA recognizes this as a complex issue encompassing mountain biking culture, the access landscape and the passions and experiences of different trail users. All sides have valid, logical and emotional arguments to make, and IMBA is listening. IMBA has wrestled with the e-MTB issue at considerable length and will continue to do so as the landscape evolves. For the past three decades, IMBA has worked tirelessly for mountain biking and access to trails and this has not changed. IMBA’s Board of Directors updated its 2015 position on e-MTBs to now read: IMBA is supportive of Class 1 e-MTB access to non-motorized trails when the responsible land management agency, in consultation with local mountain bikers, deem such e-MTB access is appropriate and will not cause any loss of access to non-motorized bikes. IMBA recognizes that changes in design, technology and the numbers of e-MTB users is evolving, and believes these bikes can be managed in a sustainable way for both the environment and other trail users. "First and foremost, we advocate for access for traditional, non-motorized mountain bikes. IMBA does not advocate for access for e-MTBs. But, IMBA and mountain bikers need to be at the table for all conversations that discuss access for e-MTBs to non-motorized trails that are open to bikes," said Dave Wiens, IMBA Executive Director. "Currently, the US Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management (BLM) are clear that they are managing all e-MTBs as motor vehicles. But for countless state, county, municipal and other parks and open space trails, there is much uncertainty and confusion. Our position reflects the importance of having local land managers and local mountain bikers involved in decisions to allow e-MTB access to non-motorized trails and underscores the importance of maintaining access for traditional, non-motorized bicycles. This topic is being driven by rapidly evolving technology and we recognize that everyone involved needs to be engaged, prepared for challenges and solution-oriented." IMBA believes that e-MTB access to non-motorized trails that are open to bikes present both opportunity and challenge. If managed effectively, e-MTBs may increase ridership and stewardship of trails, along with other benefits. No management, poor management and/or misinformation, however, have the potential to jeopardize current and future access to trails that mountain bikers, local organizations and IMBA have pursued for the past 30 years. As the recognized, national leader in trail access and sustainable trail design, IMBA is regularly asked for guidance on how best to manage the emergence of e-MTBs on local, state and federal lands by mountain bikers, local mountain biking organizations, land managers and the bicycle industry. IMBA occupies a unique position in this discussion, due to the trust it has established with these various stakeholders over the previous three decades, and recognizes there is significant work to be done in this space. IMBA also believes that local access decisions (at the state, county and municipal level) are best made locally and is working with local mountain bike groups and land management agencies across the country to provide resources and guidance, as it has done for three decades. IMBA has also met with the leaders of federal land management agencies, most of which only allow e-MTBs on motorized trails, and is keeping them apprised of and educated on this issue. |
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| Author: | Dirtrider [ Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: IMBA changes course on e-bikes... |
k2rider wrote: All you need to do is follow the money. https://www.bikemag.com/news/imba-up...-mtb-position/ This is probably correct and seems to work 99.8% of the time. |
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| Author: | 325racer [ Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: IMBA changes course on e-bikes... |
And the link is gone... |
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| Author: | Dirtrider [ Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: IMBA changes course on e-bikes... |
The natives are restless |
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| Author: | k2rider [ Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: IMBA changes course on e-bikes... |
325racer wrote: And the link is gone... UPDATED |
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| Author: | chuckanado [ Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: IMBA changes course on e-bikes... |
k2rider wrote: 325racer wrote: And the link is gone... UPDATED Still not working, but here's the correct link |
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| Author: | avidtest [ Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: IMBA changes course on e-bikes... |
I wanted to rail against this. But then i stumbled across this post on bikemag.com. ...I can't disagree with this well reasoned guy... "Rocky Scott7h I agree with IMBA and let me tell you my story. I recently rode my local trail in Spokane Valley, WA. As the wife and I were about to head out, a group of three gentlemen in their mid-30s were wrapping up. One commented on my bike and I noticed his friend had a Giant ebike. The conversation ensued. The ebike gentlemen lived here and his two friends were actually from out of town and his college buddies. The ebike gentlemen's passion was mountain biking for most of his formidable life, but the cruelty of a disease known as MS (look it up) had shown up in his life. All he wanted to do in his remaining years of capable riding was to do just that. He offered to let me ride his bike and it changed my mind. The bike has 3 modes of power and I could see how it helped him out. I returned to the parking lot, thanked him and forever changed my position on ebikes. Now...I'm a Marine Corps veteran that has rode bikes my whole life. I also was injured severely and have had over 15 knee/leg surgeries. I still love to ride, but know my days are limited as I fight with my body breaking down on me in the future. I will jump at the chance to continuing riding until I'm put to rest and if an ebike helps me, then I will. Not everyone is blessed with minimal injuries and great health, so I advocate for them. No need to be rude on the trials or put people down either. I can tell you that hard braking or riding in the mud does way more harm that a pedal assisted bike ever could." |
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| Author: | k2rider [ Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: IMBA changes course on e-bikes... |
The issue with ebikes is simple. There is absolutely no way to regulate who is on a Class 1, 2, 3 or 12 for treats matter. No enforcement agency has the manpower to enforce any regulations that are passed. If you think that people won't be tampering with their ebikes to get more power, speed, etc...I worked with a plethora of guys who literally can't leave a single motorized piece of equipment stock. Every dirt bike, quad, boat, jet ski, RAZR they ever owned gets altered. There same thing is going to happen with mountain bikes which I presume will leave to trail closures. |
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| Author: | evdog [ Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: IMBA changes course on e-bikes... |
For every one guy who has a disability there will be a dozen or more who are just lazy fucks. Those are the ones who are usually clueless about trail etiquette and will fuck everything up for the rest of us. It is pathetic IMBA will cave on e bikes but not fight for wilderness access. What a bunch of spineless hypocritical losers. They will not get another dollar out of me. |
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| Author: | Dirtrider [ Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: IMBA changes course on e-bikes... |
evdog wrote: For every one guy who has a disability there will be a dozen or more who are just lazy fucks. Hey!
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| Author: | Dirtrider [ Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: IMBA changes course on e-bikes... |
I believe that if you send money to SDMBA it will also go to IMBA |
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| Author: | b5driver [ Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: IMBA changes course on e-bikes... |
Dirtrider wrote: I believe that if you send money to SDMBA it will also go to IMBA If you send your money to SDMBA, it stays with SDMBA. If you send your money to IMBA, for example membership, a portion of it will go to SDMBA. |
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| Author: | Dirtrider [ Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: IMBA changes course on e-bikes... |
b5driver wrote: Dirtrider wrote: I believe that if you send money to SDMBA it will also go to IMBA If you send your money to SDMBA, it stays with SDMBA. If you send your money to IMBA, for example membership, a portion of it will go to SDMBA. ^^^ Thank you for clearing that up. I was under the impression that after they joined together a portion of either fees went to the other also. I think I joined IBMA last time round and got me some groovy socks. Next year it will only go to SDMBA |
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| Author: | chuckanado [ Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: IMBA changes course on e-bikes... |
Scott can probably clear this up further, but (I believe) membership in one is membership in the other - i.e. SDMBA is an IMBA chapter. So if you "join", your money goes to IMBA and SDMBA gets a cut. But any other donations to SDMBA stay local. Up here in Washington, we have Evergreen MBA (Mtn Bike Alliance). They encourage people to just call it Evergreen vs. "EMBA", to avoid confusion with IMBA, with whom they have no affiliation whatsoever. All membership fees, other donations, matching grants, volunteer hours, etc. stay local. SDMBA should consider divorcing themselves from IMBA and come up here to learn how it's done. That being said, there's no overnight cure. It takes years of relationship-building to get where we are now. But there are a lot of devoted, passionate folks at SDMBA who have already spent years building those relationships with the local land managers so they're already on the right track. |
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| Author: | Canaan [ Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: IMBA changes course on e-bikes... |
b5driver wrote: Dirtrider wrote: I believe that if you send money to SDMBA it will also go to IMBA If you send your money to SDMBA, it stays with SDMBA. If you send your money to IMBA, for example membership, a portion of it will go to SDMBA. If you send your money to me, I won't send it to SDMBA or IMBA. |
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