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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 2:05 pm 
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Anyone hear about this incident?... (per my friend Italo...)

New word is that they will be confiscating bikes if you get caught riding at Ted W.

One of the guys who was at the bottom Meadowbrook parking lot without a bike and a yellow carbon copy of a ticket for trespassing among other city codes violated by off-roading within city limits.

As I’m sure you already know, a bicycle is technically considered a “motor vehicle” in the state of California.

And

Ted Williams is within the city limits…………and (although I’ve never personally seen them myself) there are NO TRESSPASSING signs posted

The guy said that the 5-0 were watching him for a while as he was riding up on the trails and when he came down to load his bike…………..BAM……..they confiscated the bike, gave him a citation and threatened to arrest him should it happen again. Plus they told him to tell all his buddies.

I didn’t personally see this happen but I have seen 5-0 driving around the parking area.

If you ask me, they were probably using him to make an example to all mtb-rs


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Hey Mudd, when was this?


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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:16 pm 
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Was it Fish and Game or SDPD that confiscated the bike and gave him a citation, if it was PD then this opens up a hole new can of worms, it means the property owner filed a complaint or maybe the Fish and Game informed the property owner of the trespassers.

SDMBA has a on site meeting with DFG sometime next week and I will ask way they are confiscating bikes and giving citation.

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:47 pm 
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Hey Mudd, when was this?


I e-mailed Italo and he told me this....

"maybe month or two.
Didn’t catch his name."


It would make sense only if the guy was riding a motorcycle.

:x :?

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I did hear a dirt bike riding up along the ridge one time I was out there in the evening. So yeah, if it's making loud motor noise, neighbors will definitley complain, and law enforcement can definitely issue a citation. If this becomes an issue, I will just park somewhere else and ride to any of half dozen trailheads.

BTW, maps show the eastern part of TW (where all the trails are) w/in Poway city limits, not San Diego city limits.


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remember folks...

The F&G aren't your buddies.
The land managers aren't your buddies.
The Rangers aren't your buddies.

Things are not getting better, things are getting worse.

Keep your mouths shut, no one saw nothing, learn to ride well with lights. You find a trail, you keep it to yourselves and off the internet. You build a jump, you keep it to yourselves and off the internet. Any organization with authority from the city/county/state asks you about trails, you don't know nothing!


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ocd wrote:
remember folks...

The F&G aren't your buddies.
The land managers aren't your buddies.
The Rangers aren't your buddies.

Things are not getting better, things are getting worse.

Keep your mouths shut, no one saw nothing, learn to ride well with lights. You find a trail, you keep it to yourselves and off the internet. You build a jump, you keep it to yourselves and off the internet. Any organization with authority from the city/county/state asks you about trails, you don't know nothing!


Killing in the name of!
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
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Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Huh!

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Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
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Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
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Red Hot Sloth wrote:
ocd wrote:
remember folks...

The F&G aren't your buddies.
The land managers aren't your buddies.
The Rangers aren't your buddies.

Things are not getting better, things are getting worse.

Keep your mouths shut, no one saw nothing, learn to ride well with lights. You find a trail, you keep it to yourselves and off the internet. You build a jump, you keep it to yourselves and off the internet. Any organization with authority from the city/county/state asks you about trails, you don't know nothing!


Killing in the name of!
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Huh!

Killing in the name of!
Killing in the name of

And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
But now you do what they told ya
Well now you do what they told ya

Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites

Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Uggh!

Killing in the name of!
Killing in the name of

And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control (7 times)
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
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And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
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And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya!

Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Come on!

Yeah! Come on!

Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
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Motherfucker!
Uggh!

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two way radios and air horns people. This is what works.

A person at each entrance, code words and mini air horns. Two blasts means get the fuck outta dodge. Keep your ears open and your eyes peeled.

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[quote ="ocd"]remember folks...

The F&G aren't your buddies.
The land managers aren't your buddies.
The Rangers aren't your buddies.

Things are not getting better, things are getting worse.

Keep your mouths shut, no one saw nothing, learn to ride well with lights. You find a trail, you keep it to yourselves and off the internet. You build a jump, you keep it to yourselves and off the internet. Any organization with authority from the city/county/state asks you about trails, you don't know nothing!


Killing in the name of!
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Huh!

Killing in the name of!
Killing in the name of

And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
But now you do what they told ya
Well now you do what they told ya

Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites

Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Uggh!

Killing in the name of!
Killing in the name of

And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control (7 times)
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya!

Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Come on!

Yeah! Come on!

Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
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Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
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Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Motherfucker!
Uggh!
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 7:28 am 
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ocd wrote:
remember folks...

The F&G aren't your buddies.
The land managers aren't your buddies.
The Rangers aren't your buddies.

Things are not getting better, things are getting worse.

Keep your mouths shut, no one saw nothing, learn to ride well with lights. You find a trail, you keep it to yourselves and off the internet. You build a jump, you keep it to yourselves and off the internet. Any organization with authority from the city/county/state asks you about trails, you don't know nothing!


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Mudd wrote:

As I’m sure you already know, a bicycle is technically considered a “motor vehicle” in the state of California.


Not true. In most states, laws consider bicycles vehicles, but not a motor vehicles. CA is an exception. CA law considers bicycles "devices," not vehicles.

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Red Hot Sloth wrote:
ocd wrote:
remember folks...

The F&G aren't your buddies.
The land managers aren't your buddies.
The Rangers aren't your buddies.

Things are not getting better, things are getting worse.

Keep your mouths shut, no one saw nothing, learn to ride well with lights. You find a trail, you keep it to yourselves and off the internet. You build a jump, you keep it to yourselves and off the internet. Any organization with authority from the city/county/state asks you about trails, you don't know nothing!


Killing in the name of!
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Huh!

Killing in the name of!
Killing in the name of

And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
But now you do what they told ya
Well now you do what they told ya

Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites

Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that work forces, are the same that burn crosses
Uggh!

Killing in the name of!
Killing in the name of

And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control (7 times)
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya!

Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Come on!

Yeah! Come on!

Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
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Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
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Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me!
Motherfucker!
Uggh!


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ocd wrote:
two way radios and air horns people. This is what works.

A person at each entrance, code words and mini air horns. Two blasts means get the fuck outta dodge. Keep your ears open and your eyes peeled.


WTF man? What planet do you live on?

I'm pretty sure the residents are going to just absolutely love people blowing air horns all day just outside their backyards everytime some crackhead gets scurred his bikes gonna get taken away. I can see that being a huge hit.


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Mulling this over further, this report is either bogus, someone left out specific details (i.e. they were on a dirt bike), or law enforcement grossly over stepped their bounds in a definition meant for the road. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If law enforcement is taking a position that riding a bike at TW is violating (Poway) city codes by off-roading within city limits, then if you ride any of the south Poway trails, Iron Mountain, Poway Lake/lower Mt Woodson, wouldn't you also be in violation? But we all know that these areas are clearly open to mountain bikes.


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If law enforcement is taking a position that riding a bike at TW is violating (Poway) city codes by off-roading within city limits, then if you ride any of the south Poway trails, Iron Mountain, Poway Lake/lower Mt Woodson, wouldn't you also be in violation? But we all know that these areas are clearly open to mountain bikes.


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