well said evdog!

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Nope.



They? Don't you mean 'we'? Get involved with SDMBA and ask them these questions. Or use a little patience and wait till the process gets going to find out. Asking us on this site may not get you the answers you want, but in the process may piss somebody off. I see the frustration about trail loss in your posts and sympathize with you. Others might not, they may see your posts as temper tantrums or personal attacks.

Should people not from the city of Poway be attending this meeting? If I've never been on Iron Mountain, should I still attend the meeting? Will it mean anything for me to attend the meeting, not having anything to say because I have no first hand experience with Iron Mountain?

I'm not any less outraged that a trail has been destroyed, but if it will make a difference for me to attend a meeting and simply sit and listen, I'll attend. If it's power in numbers, then I'll attend.

Otherwise, it would be pretty pointless for me to attend. Unless of course, a meeting by this user group (mountain bikers) is called PRIOR to the meeting, so that everyone can get on the same page and can present a united front. It'd seem kind of dumb for people to just randomly show up for the sake of showing up.

This high and mighty attitude of "I'm doing something and you're not" might actually turn people off, you know...



I think for question #1 ~ They probably didn't because there isn't a liaison for this area from SDMBA. I believe Evan pointed that out in his post.

For question #2 ~ I'm interested to hear about this as well. Since there was a meeting last night (that I didn't attend), I'm hoping there will be some information forthcoming as to what we, as members, can do to contribute.

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Italo,

Just a word to the wise. It's not good to use "quotes" when reading between the lines. Quotes indicate an actual quotation not an interpretation.

Also I didn't interpret Evan's post or Aqua's intentions as 'keeping us in the dark for our own good'. I viewed it has keeping POSSIBLE/PROBABLE unknown agitators out of the loop for the TRAIL'S good.

Anybody can share information when and how they want to. I'm sure you have kept information to yourself because at the time you felt it was unwise to "lay all your cards on the table". We all discriminate that way, sometimes wisely and sometimes not so wisely.

Also, this 'secret info' is only secret insofar as those who didn't ride Iron this week. Go ahead and ride Iron and the 'secret' is no longer secret. Then any information you have is your own and YOU can choose to do what you want with that info. It's pretty straightforward. Then you can post pics and close fisted outrage to alleviate (or exasperate) any frustrations the community has. But to post pics or emails that aren't yours to post in the first place is bad form. (I'm not accusing you of doing this or advocating this Italo). And for others (again not necessarily you Italo) to demand the information should be publicized by the holder of that information is personal infringement if that information is his or hers alone to decide.

For those who disagree with withholding, go ahead and hike up Iron yourself and make the 'secret' information your own. Then do what you will with it. Just try to exercise some wisdom. The last part is again not necessarily for you Italo as if I"m accusing you of doing anything ill-advised, I'm not. It's just a friendly reminder to all that information is personal and sometimes our judgment is to keep it personal, right or wrong.

Peace, and I mean that.
Tom

If I could only find somewhere so I could know who someone is?!

"just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you " Kurt Cobain

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Unfortunately, i was correct, SDMBA did know but thankfully kept all of us "safe"

As for the childish insults. Just that, childish. Grow up dude.

Thank you Tom, I appreciate your advice (as well as everyone else's) and have taken it strongly into consideration.
It is truly good advice.

Its no secret that my passion for this sport is what drives me to be so 'vocal' (for lack of better words) in my posts, comments, etc.
And I do feel an apology is due to you all (EVERYONE who has witnessed this thread), since it is very evident that somewhere along the lines, my passion got the best of me and my points/goals were possibly lost, shrouded and/or misunderstood.
So, I offer my sincere apologies for misquoting, misstating, and misleading anyone or anything.


But the true essence of my original post remains;
This was not a witch hunt, it was solely a quest for information via two simple questions.

I love Iron Mt. more than anyone could possibly imagine, and I am deeply saddened that even one single rock on that trail was removed, much less 2 or more.
Iron is the one place that offered something to me (personally) that no other trail offered to me here in San Diego.
All I want to do is ensure that this does not ever happen again, and that we are able to obtain some sort of 'compensation' (perhaps in the form of another trail), for our loss (as land users; mtb'rs, hikers, joggers, etc.) at Iron Mt.

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Didn't take 6 pages. I answered your question on page 2.

thanks endo, great start!

these and other pictures from before (even single frame pics from a video camera), and now pictures of after (same camera angles) will document the changes. as, if not more, important would be current pictures to show what is still the same. should work continue at some point we would have documentation the city has broken it's word.

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Regarding your 2 questions Italo:

Did SDMBA know? As far as I know, they did not. Certainly not before any of the emails that went out on Monday.

What is SDMBA planning to do about it from here on out? Lets see...you asked this question yesterday afternoon. The SDMBA meeting was not until last night. If you do the math, could it be possible that SDMBA did not know what it would do yet, because its Board had not yet met to discuss the issue? That seems like a logical conclusion to me.

Now that the meeting has happened, "what is SDMBA planning to do" is a valid question. By the way, why were you not there Italo? Did you not say yesterday you would be attending future SDMBA meetings? I was there; no one who has been bitching about SDMBA in this thread bothered to show up. Well, by Mouse Jockey's logic, what I heard discussed at the meeting then is my personal info, so you can fuck off

Seriously, though, I am not a SDMBA board member or officer, so it is not my place to speak on their behalf.

My personal opinion on what should happen next:

1) Keep our eyes open and make sure the work is actually halted.
2) Let the dust settle

3a) If the work starts up again, then we can raise hell to City Council and get people out to the next meeting. I think it is very important though to get a ton of hikers involved too. Without them we are just a minority user group, most of whose members are not even from Poway, bitching about some trail work that none of the other users care enough about to show up.

3b) If no further work is done up there, then our short term goal is met.

4) A long term goal is to develop a working relationship with the City of Poway. We need a SDMBA liaison who can help keep tabs on things, and we need people to get involved. This will be a long term process and will require effort of a lot of people. We need to build a relationship, build trust, and try to educate them on what trail users want and what the most current, sustainable trail maintenance techniques are.


Taking a completely aggro approach, with masses of angry bikers descending on City Hall demanding that Ellie Lane be given over to bikes as compensation is not gonna get anyone anywhere, except tossed out of City Hall for good.

you're 9 hrs ahead, what took you so long? slacker.

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So do I brother, so do I.

Ensurance is harder to come by than Insurance (and more expensive too).

Well, now you guys did it.

You're making me take off work right now, just becuase I haven't been to Iron in a long time. So, I'm taking my dog and hiking that trial today....

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wear a helmet! or teach your dog to go for help

If I fall down walking I've got some serious issues.

I mean I've done that before, but there were other factors involved.

I've taught my dog many things. Like just this morning I was standing in line at a outdoor coffee shop next thing you know my dog has his head up some girls skirt.

I said sorry he probably just smelld your dog. She looked at me kind of weird just as I was giving him a cookie as a reward and said "I don't have a dog" . Go figure...

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