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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 1:16 pm 
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From the SDMBA page on Facebook:
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"We have recently heard of considerable enforcement with California Department of Fish and Wildlife, along with troubling interactions on the Carlsbad Highlands Ecological Reserve (Commonly known as Calaveras). Apparently, riders are being approached aggressively by CDFW officials while on trails. SDMBA has recently started talks with California Department of Fish and Wildlife behind the scenes about management issues across the County with Calaveras being a high priority.

Due to these actions, members are inquiring “HOW CAN THEY HELP???”

Simply put – we need to put strong political pressure to enact “people friendly” changes. CDFW tends to purchase land, then lock it away from all public use – even on roads! This is far from being People Friendly!!! Since CDFW is a California agency, your local legislators are tasked with helping you as their local California residents. We need all riders, hikers, equestrians and trail users to contact your State Legislators within the Carlsbad region. We desperately need you to pick up your phone and call them! Tell your legislators you want reasonable access for yourself and family on public lands. While we understand this is an Ecological Reserve, there is a clear precedent for reasonable, environmentally sound public access. Let them know public land purchased with public money, needs to include access for the public.

State Senator Pat Bates 36th District
San Diego Office 760-642-0809
Sacramento Office 916-651-4036

State Assemblyman Rocky Chavez 76th District
San Diego Office 760-433-7601
Sacramento Office 916-319-2076"

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SCREW SDMBA! This is the product of them not giving a shit.

Step aside lads, locals will take care of this... the way we have for years.


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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 2:52 pm 
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Yup, stick your head right back there in the sand.

When you come up from air, maybe you will still have trails to ride, maybe you won't.

That strategy has worked for a surprising number of years. It probably won't work forever.


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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 3:22 pm 
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I've been riding Calaveras for over
40 years, since the 70's. First Moto's,
then bikes. There have been a few times
that access was threatened, but it never
lasted long.

I have a bad feeling about this attack.
I hear there is a new Sheriff with Fish
and Game. I don't think he's going to
be as lax as Wong was. Which could be
bad for us.

I think it's going to take more than "locals"
handling it. I know SDMBA has a reputation
here with Calaveras.
We need ALL the help we can get!

My son and some friends just started riding .
They have been hitting Calaveras a lot lately.
Don't know where they will go if we lose it.....................

Do what you can to help, and in the meantime,
"Ride it, till they pave it!"

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Remember Flightline?


9-8-2006
Summary:
This is a message to all Flightline trail bike users. All the trail construction activity and use of this area is illegal. This area is not open to the public for biking at this time. All past activity was also illegal. This area has been designated as a dedicated nature preserve. The Center for Natural Lands Management is the authorized land manager and has recenly commenced management activities. Although we allow mountain biking at other preserves (and will do so on this preserve in the future) and have worked with mountain biking groups to improve trails (SDMBA), the damages caused by this trail building is unacceptable and ALL STRUCTURES AND TRAILS WILL BE REMOVED IN EARLY NOVEMBER AND THE SITE WILL BE FENCED AND POSTED. We will open this area to the public once we have desingated trails and construction activities are completed. Call 760 731 7790 for more information.

Check out the last line.

"We will open this area to the public once we have desingated trails and construction activities are completed. "

Have they reopened it?

Look at the date.
We were screwed and lied to. And this was only
Marcus and the CNLM, a private company.
NOT the FEDS............................


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Rocky's website sucks and severely limits the number of characters you can input when emailing. I'll call his staff this week. Here is a message I sent to Bates.

"Hello Senator Bates; I'm a 30 year resident of North County San Diego. I'm an avid mountain biker; an activity that, contributes to health, appreciation of nature, and soothes the soul in this hectic world. Calavera Reserve, in Carlsbad, is under attack by the CDFW. They are aggressively enforcing a people-UNfriendly policy of closing off access to hikers, bikers and horse riders. There is so little open space left in N.C. for residents to enjoy, which is why I implore you to help throttle down the CDFW zealots who proceed with their own agenda, disregarding citizens rights to enjoy nature, physical activity and FUN in our own back yard. Yes, Calavera is an Ecological Reserve (surrounded on all sides by houses, roads, and businesses), but it is an area that has been used for recreational activities for many decades. During 100's upon 100's of bike rides out there, I see owls, road-runners, coyotes, hawks, snakes, bunnies, and even the very occasional bobcat. No structures are allowed to be built, which means the animals don't seem to be affected, despite human activity, including trail use. (The animals of Yellowstone Park seem to do just fine, despite the 4 million visitors each year). Please help me, my family, my friends and the many many local citizens keep this entire area open for human use and enjoyment. It's critical for people to have unstructured trail/nature access close to our back yards. Senator, will you help?"

In the meantime, I'll follow Harley's advice until they pave it.

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One day, I may learn to simma' down a little before reacting. I see now that I should have perhaps referred to the CDFW's "over-zealous and heavy-handed behavior", rather than lumping them all in as "zealots". Sigh... Oh well. I suppose the point was still made.

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I was out of town for the weekend. Are there new signs up and if so, does it actually appear that they were done by professionals? Were Fish & Game Rangers actually out there stopping people this weekend? Are they issuing citations or just turning people around?

I'll answer my own question, at least based on what I saw today....zero rangers, no new signs or fences and thankfully no snakes.

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avidtest wrote:
Rocky's website sucks and severely limits the number of characters you can input when emailing. I'll call his staff this week. Here is a message I sent to Bates.

"Hello Senator Bates; I'm a 30 year resident of North County San Diego. I'm an avid mountain biker; an activity that, contributes to health, appreciation of nature, and soothes the soul in this hectic world. Calavera Reserve, in Carlsbad, is under attack by the CDFW. They are aggressively enforcing a people-UNfriendly policy of closing off access to hikers, bikers and horse riders. There is so little open space left in N.C. for residents to enjoy, which is why I implore you to help throttle down the CDFW zealots who proceed with their own agenda, disregarding citizens rights to enjoy nature, physical activity and FUN in our own back yard. Yes, Calavera is an Ecological Reserve (surrounded on all sides by houses, roads, and businesses), but it is an area that has been used for recreational activities for many decades. During 100's upon 100's of bike rides out there, I see owls, road-runners, coyotes, hawks, snakes, bunnies, and even the very occasional bobcat. No structures are allowed to be built, which means the animals don't seem to be affected, despite human activity, including trail use. (The animals of Yellowstone Park seem to do just fine, despite the 4 million visitors each year). Please help me, my family, my friends and the many many local citizens keep this entire area open for human use and enjoyment. It's critical for people to have unstructured trail/nature access close to our back yards. Senator, will you help?"

In the meantime, I'll follow Harley's advice until they pave it.


Playing Devil's advocate, as always, (and can't help my former Land Development/Urban Planning/Lobbyist career path) these zealots could technically just ask, where were you guys (or call to actions-up in arms) when the environmental impact reports or mitigated negative declarations with alternatives (as required under CEQA) were put out on public review prior to designating these areas as a Reserve (to offset environmental takes as a result of the then impending land development project)? This reminds me of mtbikers crying foul about Tunnels when in legal terms, the City could have just asked the same questions - where were you bitches at when these housing projects were going through their review process and offsetting environmental mitigation measures being put out for public comment period? THAT'S WHEN these fights should be fought.

Unfortunately, it's a tough scenario especially if you don't live in the area, if you don't follow projects in the pipeline (for any city or jurisdiction) or read the legally required public notification by approving agencies on their website or local newspaper (typically tucked away near or on opinion pages). It's an arduous task and monotonous process when you get into it. Not suitable for mountain bikers because by the time a decision could be reached or action taken that could maybe benefit us, if any, there is probably a new bike standard or you're already on an eBike a decade later. Land and Environmental Planning in a nutshell.

STFU and let's ride this weekend. I'm stuck up here. Weather is looking great.

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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 12:58 pm 
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avidtest wrote:
Rocky's website sucks and severely limits the number of characters you can input when emailing. I'll call his staff this week. Here is a message I sent to Bates.

"Hello Senator Bates; I'm a 30 year resident of North County San Diego. I'm an avid mountain biker; an activity that, contributes to health, appreciation of nature, and soothes the soul in this hectic world. Calavera Reserve, in Carlsbad, is under attack by the CDFW. They are aggressively enforcing a people-UNfriendly policy of closing off access to hikers, bikers and horse riders. There is so little open space left in N.C. for residents to enjoy, which is why I implore you to help throttle down the CDFW zealots who proceed with their own agenda, disregarding citizens rights to enjoy nature, physical activity and FUN in our own back yard. Yes, Calavera is an Ecological Reserve (surrounded on all sides by houses, roads, and businesses), but it is an area that has been used for recreational activities for many decades. During 100's upon 100's of bike rides out there, I see owls, road-runners, coyotes, hawks, snakes, bunnies, and even the very occasional bobcat. No structures are allowed to be built, which means the animals don't seem to be affected, despite human activity, including trail use. (The animals of Yellowstone Park seem to do just fine, despite the 4 million visitors each year). Please help me, my family, my friends and the many many local citizens keep this entire area open for human use and enjoyment. It's critical for people to have unstructured trail/nature access close to our back yards. Senator, will you help?"

In the meantime, I'll follow Harley's advice until they pave it.


Playing Devil's advocate, as always, (and can't help my former Land Development/Urban Planning/Lobbyist career path) these zealots could technically just ask, where were you guys (or call to actions-up in arms) when the environmental impact reports or mitigated negative declarations with alternatives (as required under CEQA) were put out on public review prior to designating these areas as a Reserve (to offset environmental takes as a result of the then impending land development project)? This reminds me of mtbikers crying foul about Tunnels when in legal terms, the City could have just asked the same questions - where were you bitches at when these housing projects were going through their review process and offsetting environmental mitigation measures being put out for public comment period? THAT'S WHEN these fights should be fought.

Unfortunately, it's a tough scenario especially if you don't live in the area, if you don't follow projects in the pipeline (for any city or jurisdiction) or read the legally required public notification by approving agencies on their website or local newspaper (typically tucked away near or on opinion pages). It's an arduous task and monotonous process when you get into it. Not suitable for mountain bikers because by the time a decision could be reached or action taken that could maybe benefit us, if any, there is probably a new bike standard or you're already on an eBike a decade later. Land and Environmental Planning in a nutshell.

STFU and let's ride this weekend. I'm stuck up here. Weather is looking great.


Hahah, CEQA. When they put up the fences, in the grant contract they exempted themselves. Not the way it was intended to work.


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ozzer wrote:

Playing Devil's advocate, as always, (and can't help my former Land Development/Urban Planning/Lobbyist career path) these zealots could technically just ask, where were you guys (or call to actions-up in arms) when the environmental impact reports or mitigated negative declarations with alternatives (as required under CEQA) were put out on public review prior to designating these areas as a Reserve (to offset environmental takes as a result of the then impending land development project)? This reminds me of mtbikers crying foul about Tunnels when in legal terms, the City could have just asked the same questions - where were you bitches at when these housing projects were going through their review process and offsetting environmental mitigation measures being put out for public comment period? THAT'S WHEN these fights should be fought.


Not disagreeing with you but this is a three pronged issues (city, planners, and users) that does not lie solely at the rider's fee. Many places have been planned far longer than you may believe. There are areas of San Diego, North County, and East County that have been on the charts for 20+ years. The large percentage of riders were not riding, let alone even know they would be into mountain biking. As a result there was not an interested user base like we see now.

Failure to plan for the future fall more on the city and the developers. How can you think that creating islands of open space would not draw use? As population grows, the need to get away from it does too. People naturally will seek solace in an area where there are not others. If you have ever spent time in a metropolis (NY, Chicago, LA) you know that there are not nearly the opportunities we have here. Instead, the planners made a decision that open space will not be intruded upon, even though 10,000's of back yards boarding open spaces throughout the county. The land was set aside for habitat protection.

As is seen in Calaveras, East Elliot, Flight Line, Teds, and countless smaller uncontrolled parcels, unregulated use leads to a plethora, sometimes redundant, and, at times, damaging set of trails. Rather than acknowledging the area will see incursions that could easily be mitigated with a common sense approach to trails, planners have said "this is NOT for human use".

I challenge anyone to find a space in the urban setting where this is successful.

So now what? It is going to have to be compromise. Compromise on the part of the agencies to recognize the damage to the parcels will not abate without allowing access. Compromise on the part of the trail users to understand that trails will not all survive the process.

People on all sides need to realize it cannot continue as it has before to succeed.

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^^^ Yep. This goes way back. The K-rails just north of the new high school were installed in the seventies to protect gnatcatcher habitat. And the DFW land became an ecological reserve at the turn of the last century.

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So is it cool if I do some laps tomorrow or should I ride some place else?


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So is it cool if I do some laps tomorrow or should I ride some place else?


You should be fine. I don't want to make any guarantees or assumptions but something I dealt with in 30 years of law enforcement was....unless there's signs posted, any citations written won't hold up in court. Obviously, don't go flying past any F&G rangers that tell you an area is closed.

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So is it cool if I do some laps tomorrow or should I ride some place else?


See ya there.

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