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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:52 pm 
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Big Clyde wrote:
I must be doing something wrong...........

I use my rear brake all of the time............

And I don't skid.



:cheers:

Well, then you must be moving very, very slowly and take forever to scrub speed.

You must be a beginner.

Or, a timid young girl.


Or, both. :cheers:


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Black Cat wrote:
Big Clyde wrote:
I must be doing something wrong...........

I use my rear brake all of the time............

And I don't skid.



:cheers:

Well, then you must be moving very, very slowly and take forever to scrub speed.

You must be a beginner.

Or, a timid young girl.




Or, both. :cheers:



You've ridden with me...........................


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Fellow BB7 luddite here. I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or right, but I haven't replaced my pads in years.

I have gotten really good at getting my ass behind the saddle and can't remember the last time I felt anything close to going OTB. I used to drop my saddle on techy stuff* but now I don't even have a QR seatpost clamp.

* - Admittedly, my limits for "techy stuff" are the likes of Marthas, Miners, Indian Creek, Slaught Car, etc.

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Big Clyde wrote:
I must be doing something wrong...........

I use my rear brake all of the time............


Me too. Nothing wrong with using both brakes.

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Going over the bars may have more to do with poor body position when braking or braking in the wrong portion of the trail.

Typically I go through probably 1.5 back pads before replacing the front pad.



I have a similar wear ratio between front/back. They're plenty of times when it's appropriate to use the rears as far as I'm concerned though. For me, using the rear is often more about control/positioning/steering than it is about brute stopping power, of which there isn't a tremendous amount.

Also, when hard braking before a turn or a feature that demands a slow down, I'm on the front and back equally at the beginning of my deceleration (according to the respective braking thresholds of each) and often on the edge of traction. However, I often release the front just prior to releasing the rear.

Then of course, anytime I'm in a potential endo situation, such as a roller, the front is nearly always released before the rear, which in some cases is never completely until the event or feature is behind me.

Not sure if all this accounts for an extra 50% wear though... Maybe I'm riding like a timid little girl.. Hey Harley, when we riding?

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Big Clyde wrote:
I must be doing something wrong...........

I use my rear brake all of the time............

And I don't skid.



:cheers:


Ditto. I pride myself on that, too.

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A_street wrote:
Going over the bars may have more to do with poor body position when braking or braking in the wrong portion of the trail.

Typically I go through probably 1.5 back pads before replacing the front pad.



I have a similar wear ratio between front/back. They're plenty of times when it's appropriate to use the rears as far as I'm concerned though. For me, using the rear is often more about control/positioning/steering than it is about brute stopping power, of which there isn't a tremendous amount.

Also, when hard braking before a turn or a feature that demands a slow down, I'm on the front and back equally at the beginning of my deceleration (according to the respective braking thresholds of each) and often on the edge of traction. However, I often release the front just prior to releasing the rear.

Then of course, anytime I'm in a potential endo situation, such as a roller, the front is nearly always released before the rear, which in some cases is never completely until the event or feature is behind me.

Not sure if all this accounts for an extra 50% wear though... Maybe I'm riding like a timid little girl.. Hey Harley, when we riding?


This.

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Hmm...I see some misconceptions here. Seriously, google "MTB braking skills" and watch the first several videos. It's not about front or rear primarily. Apply BOTH brakes hard as late as you can before the corner. Then get off them and corner (but you CAN use both through a corner if you need too, but be careful with the front!). You might hear that the front does 70% (or more) of the braking. That doesn't mean you're trying to apply 70%, it means that weight transfer will cause it to deliver 70% of the total braking effect, when both are maxed just short of lockup. Yes, you have to control your body position to keep from going OTB, but you should stay fairly centered for good control -- if you shift your weight way back you'll be out of position to corner or deal with bumps. The way back behind the seat position is rarely needed except for really steep descents (especially if you have a dropper post -- if not, get one). And you'll rarely skid unless you overcook the approach to the corner, unexpectedly hit bad traction, or just like to do it for fun, the dirt spray effect, or to change direction. Hard braking just short of lockup is more effective because you can brake later, making you faster. Yes, there are other situations than the corner approach scenario -- where you would selectively use front or rear differently, like roots, cobbles, switchbacks.

[edit: besides Black Cat's video link above, here are a couple more links]

http://www.singletracks.com/blog/mtb-training/how-to-brake-your-mountain-bike/

http://betterride.net/blog/2014/braking-on-your-mountain-bike/

http://www.mtbtechniques.co.uk/fundamentalsbraking.html

http://youtu.be/kS8-3-V81o4

http://betterride.net/blog/2014/setting-up-to-rail-a-corner-on-your-mountain-bike/

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I really don't think of braking
when I ride.
I've been on two wheels for
50 years, I think it's natural.

I endo'd on Saturday.
Not because of braking,
but cause I was riding slow,
and like a timid little girl.


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Yeah, if you've been riding a long time it just feels natural. And it feels good. Which is why it's hard for people like me (and apparently Canaan) to improve our technique, even when we know what we're "supposed" to do. And I know darn well you aren't slow, and when you said you use the rear brake all the time, you meant in combination with the front.


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I probably go through 2 sets of front pads for every rear. And I do use the rear a lot, but more for controlling the bike whereas most power comes from the front brake. I don't worry about endos. Body position will help avoid those - keep your center of gravity low rather than back, arms and legs bent, and you will be able to react quickly to adjust weight and body position forward or back as needed.

To really make use of the front brake's power you need to weight the front more on steep sections. It is counterintuitive because your brain tells you to get back, but nothing will send you out of control faster on a steep descent than having your weight too far back. I used to always end up sideways on steeps with the back end sliding out on me. A friend showed me to lean forward instead of back. As soon as I did that I was able to ride the steep cleanly. You shouldn't need to worry about an endo unless there is an obvious wheel catcher, anything else you should be able to modulate brakes and roll over.

If you want to get better go to a trail that you know well that has a variety of grades, some steep some less steep, and try descending using only one brake or the other, and weighting the bike in different ways. This will help you feel how each change affects braking. Get on something real steep and try weighting the bike forward vs. far back off the seat.


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Canaan wrote:
Big Clyde wrote:
I must be doing something wrong...........

I use my rear brake all of the time............

And I don't skid.



:cheers:


Ditto. I pride myself on that, too.


Pride goeth before the fall. :lol:

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Body position will help avoid those - keep your center of gravity low rather than back


That's easier for you than it is for me. Beavers have a much lower center of gravity than Giraffes. I understand the point, but when you're riding an XXL bike, the center of gravity can only get so low.

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That Ronnie endo video makes a point, and is funny as hell still!

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This guy has skills......................




Thanks for the skillful editing to eliminate my out-of-control skidding from those videos.


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